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Frequently Asked Questions


Do you Offer Replacements for the now Obsolete Baldor Gearmotors?

We can provide possible replacements for many of the obsolete AC fixed speed, AC inverter duty or PMDC fractional horsepower (<1HP) gearmotors from Baldor.  We also offer a large selection of “SCR Rated” PMDC gearmotors that are rated for either 90VDC or 180VDC. To get started, please provide the Baldor catalog or item number of the gearmotor in question. Baldor part numbers often start with either GPP, GP, GMP, but there are many other variations (you’ll find the part number on the motor nameplate).

With that information, we’ll be able to identify the closest possible Bodine stock gearmotor. If our replacement option is not a drop-in, we’ll let you know what the differences are. For OEM machine builders with larger quantity requirements, we can also develop a custom gearmotor solution that will be a direct drop-in. Please contact our regional sales manager to set up a design and application review for a custom drop-in gearmotor or motor, or send an e-mail to our technical support team at info@bodine-electric.com.

Obsolete Baldor Gearmotor Replacement Options

What is an “SCR rated” PMDC gearmotor?

We define “SCR Rated” as a permanent magnet DC gearmotor that is designed to operate with an unfiltered SCR speed control while delivering similar speed and torque performance as a PMDC gearmotor that is designed to be operated from a filtered DC speed control or from a PWM speed control. SCR rated PMDC gearmotors or motors are designed to remain within their safe operating temperature range while delivering full rated torque over the entire speed range (when operated with an unfiltered SCR speed control). This is in contrast to PWM-rated PMDC gearmotors or motors which would need to be operated at reduced torque if they were operated with an unfiltered SCR speed control.

The majority of our standard stock 130V PMDC motors and gearmotors are rated for operation with a filtered speed control (FF = 1.0) at an armature speed of 2500 rpm. When operated with an unfiltered SCR control (90VDC off 115VAC), these stock motors will run at an armature speed of approx. 1725 rpm and would have to be proportionally derated. Hence, offering 90V or 180VDC “SCR Rated” gearmotors with an armature speed of 2500rpm allows the user to use the same gearmotor and gear ratio with either a winding for a filtered (PWM) or unfiltered SCR controls.

What does “Form Factor” (FF) mean?

Form Factor for a DC speed control is a measure of the amount of current (ampere) filtering (smoothing) provided by the control to a motor. Form Factor cannot be determined until a motor and control combination are driving a load. However, most control manufacturers catalog their controls with a FF rating. Most small motor and control combinations exhibit FF= 1.0 to 1.05 with a filtered control and FF= 1.6-1.8 with an unfiltered control at rated torque.

Bodine permanent magnet DC motors in this catalog are rated for continuous duty on 130 VDC, FF=1.05 current as supplied by Bodine type FPM and WPM controls. These motors and gearmotors can be successfully operated from unfiltered controls at FF=approximately 1.6, at speed not less than 1700 rpm. For intermittent duty operation, full nameplate torque may be available. The designers should test for each individual application.

Which Bodine motors are CE approved?

Most AC and PMDC motors and gearmotors, the INTEGRAmotors, and most speed controls carry the CE mark. For model-specific details, please  contact our customer service department.

What control can I use for my Bodine gearmotor or motor?

Our Control Selection Guides can help you select an optimal control:

 

Does Bodine manufacture explosion-proof products?

We currently offer Class I/Div.2, brushless DC gearmotors. Click here for more information. We are also offering Class I/Div. 1 explosion-proof versions of our 34B-FX gearmotors and motors. Minimum order quantities apply. Please contact your local Bodine sales representative.

Does Bodine manufacture brake motors?

Yes, Bodine has manufactured custom motors and gearmotors with mounted brakes for many decades. Minimum order quantities apply. Please contact your local Bodine sales representative.

Which motors/gearmotors are reversible?

All motors and gearmotors shown in our catalog are reversible. To prevent gearing damage, most gearmotors require a full stop before reversing.

What is obtainable torque?

Obtainable torque is the maximum output torque (peak torque) for a gearmotor. Gearmotors may be operated at these levels only for brief periods due to thermal or mechanical limitations.

Can continuous duty motors/gearmotors be used intermittently?

All rated torques shown in our catalog are for continuous operation. Continuous duty products can be used intermittently. Operation at loads higher than nameplate ratings is possible for short periods as long as there are rest periods for cooling. Loads higher than obtainable torque for gearmotors are never recommended. The temperature of the motor should be monitored during testing to make sure it is not overheating.

Can Single speed AC motors and gearmotors ever be operated as adjustable speed?

AC three-phase inverter duty (PP), three-phase synchronous inverter duty (YP), and some permanent split capacitor (PSC or CI) designs may be operated at adjustable speed with suitable controllers.

Is an adjustable speed system ever appropriate for a single speed application?

Adjustable speed systems are sometimes appropriate for single speed applications. If the desired speed is not known or not offered in a single speed product, an adjustable speed system may be set to the desired speed. For a low volume requirement, this approach will normally be more cost effective than changing ratios or making up special gearing.

What is a "synchronous" motor?

A synchronous motor is an induction motor that operates directly from AC power or from a variable frequency drive (VFD), and rotates at an exact multiple of the line frequency (or set speed). Common synchronous induction motor speeds at 60 Hz are 1800 RPM (4-pole) and 3600 RPM (2-pole). A unique feature of the AC synchronous motor is that there is no rotor "slip." The rotating magnetic field in the stator and the magnetic field in the rotor are "locked" in step as long as the load on the output shaft is within nameplate ratings.

What is IP-44?

The IP (ingress protection) number is based on the international IEC system for rating enclosures. An IP-44 rating is roughly equivalent to NEMA 12 for dust and water resistance. IP-44 means that the gearmotor or motor housing is protected against solid objects greater than 1 mm, and against splashing water.

Our stock motors and gearmotors are typically rated IP-20 to IP-40. If you want to increase the ingress protection rating of our gearmotors and motors to IP-44, you can install our optional terminal box kits -- models 0984, 0985 or 0986. We also offer boot kits for our PMDC 24A, 33A and 42A motors.

IP Ingress Protection Rating for Bodine Gearmotors per IEC 60034-5

 

 

What is the IP rating of a 24A stock motor or gearmotor, and do you have an IP-44 seal kit for this product type?

Most 24A stock gearmotors and motors are rated IP-20, but we offer an IP-44 seal kit. The part number of this IP-44 seal kit is stock model 0976. Our type 24A-60P planetary gearmotors are rated IP-65 and do not require this kit

What is meant by the term self locking?

Self locking refers to the tendency of some gearing to resist movement when the gearmotor is at rest and the load is attempting to move. An example is a load on a conveyer belt trying to drive the system backwards. Right angle gearheads with ratios greater than 20:1 are often considered to be self locking.

Which gearheads are self locking?

Parallel shaft gearheads and right angle gearheads with low ratios are generally not considered to be self locking. Right angle gearheads with ratios greater than 20:1 are often considered to be self locking. They will resist movement up to their torque rating. As the gearing nears the end of its useful life or if it is subjected to overload conditions, it may wear to the point where it is no longer self locking. Self locking gearing is not a recommended method for preventing movement in applications.

Which products can be operated with the drive shaft in vertical orientation?

Motors without gearing and K-2 gearmotors may be operated in any position. Standard Bodine gearmotors are designed for universal horizontal mounting with the motor portion or the drive shaft horizontal. Other mounting positions are possible, depending on the gearmotor type (and lubricant). Some gearmotors are oil lubricated. If these gearmotors are mounted in a position other than horizontal, the oil might find its way out of the gearbox as the motor shaft or the shaft seal wear out over time. When in doubt, please consult our technical support staff in Northfield (Chicago area). You can e-mail us at info@bodine-electric.com.

What will happen if a 60 Hz AC induction motor is operated on 50 Hz?

A motor designed for 60 Hz operation will run at 5/6 rated speed on 50 Hz. This can be of concern for totally enclosed, fan cooled (TEFC) motors or gearmotors. For example, a motor rated 1700 RPM on 60 Hz will run at 1400 RPM on 50 Hz. When the motor fan runs slower, the motor winding will receive less then the expected cooling.

Bodine 60 Hz permanent split capacitor (PSC) "Cl" motors will run hotter on 50 Hz, and typically require a capacitor change and derating. The motor temperature should be monitored during testing to make sure it is not overheating. Bodine split phase (or "Sl") motors and gearmotors that are rated for 60Hz should not be operated on 50 Hz because the internal centrifugal cut-out switch will not cut out correctly and might damage the start winding. Consult the factory for a 50Hz solution.

Can more than one motor be operated from a single control?

Operation of more than one motor from a single control is not normally recommended (PMDC or BLDC). However, when cost is a primary concern, a multiple motor/single control system with either permanent magnet motors and control or 3 phase motors and control may be successfully implemented. More than one AC three-phase, inverter duty motor/gearmotor may be operated with a single AC speed control (=inverter, = adjustable speed drive), as long as the sum of the motor currents does not exceed the rated output current of the control. Motor speeds should not fluctuate as long as the motors are not overloaded and the sum of the motor currents does not exceed the rated output current of the control.

What is radial load?

Radial load is a force pushing or pulling the side of the output shaft. It is shown in the diagram (at right) as Fr. Exceeding the allowable radial load for a motor or gearmotor will cause premature wear of output shaft bearings and gearing and could cause the shaft to break. Fr may be the result of a weight on the shaft, belt tension or torque transmitted through a belt, chain, gear, or certain flexible couplings. Our catalog shows the permissible radial load for each motor and gearmotor. In calculating these values, the following assumptions were made:

  1. The radial load is in the worst case direction, i.e. pushing or pulling the shaft sideways.
  2. The motor or gearmotor is delivering rated torque.
  3. The radial load was applied at distance "d" from the hub or mounting surface. Higher radial loads may be applied closer in on the shaft. Lower radial loads are permitted further out on the shaft.

Flexible couplings are often used to avoid radial load. Most flexible couplings are designed so that they do not transmit radial load, however this should be verified by the coupling manufacturer.

 

What is axial load?

Axial load is a force on the output shaft into or out of the motor or gearmotor. It as shown in the diagram (at right) as Fa. Exceeding the allowable axial load for a motor or gearmotor will cause premature wear of output shaft bearings and gearing.

 

How does paint thickness affect the dimensions shown on Bodine CAD drawings?

Most of our standard products are fully coated with a black finish on all exterior surfaces. Some stock gearmotors are partially painted, and some custom OEM products might not be painted at all (dependent on the application and operating environment). For a given motor or gearmotor type, the motor components have the same physical dimensions, but paint or coatings on external surfaces will add to the overall dimensions. The paint thickness is not reflected in the dimensions on our online CAD drawings, and it could be up to 0.006 inches thick on each painted or coated surface. Different components may feature different surface coatings: we typically powder coat our castings, some parts are anodized, and stators with exposed laminations are either wet painted, or have an e-coat surface finish (e.g. 22B, 30R, K-2 stators).

Bodine AC Inverter Duty Gearmotor Cutaway View 02-2020 FAQ

What is a Bodine AC torque motor? When do I use one?

Bodine offers AC induction motors that are impedance protected - we call these types of motors AC Torque Motors.  These motors are ideal for tensioning applications because they can operate in stall mode without overheating.  Torque motors feature: Higher starting torque at lower speed and lower running torque, and the ability to run in stall mode without Overheating (impedance protection).

What does "impedance protection" mean? It means that the motor winding temperature stays within its thermal limits when it is stalled. If the motor needs to be operated in 100% stall mode, then the operating voltage has to be reduced to x% of the rated voltage (see our stock catalog S, page 20 for details). 

Application Example: Tensioning a web, wire or film in an unwind or rewind application. In these types of applications, the motors act like an "electronic spring".

How do I vary the voltage supplied to a Bodine (AC) torque motor? Can I use an inverter with single-phase output?

It does not matter how voltage is supplied to the torque motor, as long as the average voltage supplied is per the motor’s specifications. Some options that you can use are: a step-down transformer or an inverter with single-phase output. See our stock catalog S, page 20 for reduced voltage specifications.

Bodine AC Torque Motors - Ideal for Holding Apps - Impedance Protected

Should I use the AC or DC setting on my ammeter when measuring the current through my Bodine motor/gearmotor?

It depends on why you are measuring the current. A DC current reading will be a good estimate you can use to size the motor for a torque rating. If you want to measure current in order to determine whether or not your motor/gearmotor is sized adequately (i.e. you want to load test your motor/gearmotor by measuring current and calculating torque from measured current), use a DC current reading.

An AC current reading will be essentially the same as the true RMS current through the motor. This is a better measure of the current that is flowing through the motor. This measurement will be more useful if you want to determine the amount of dissipated heat the motor is producing.

I have a Bodine capacitor motor/gearmotor. Bodine specifies a certain capacitor value to be used with my motor/gearmotor. Can I change this capacitor value?

No. We choose the optimum value capacitor for use with your motor/gearmotor. It might be acceptable (consult Bodine Electric first) to use a capacitor with a higher voltage rating, but it is NOT recommended that the capacitance value be changed. The capacitor in a capacitor motor circuit changes the reactance of the auxiliary winding to charge up torque. Changing the capacitance value will change the reactance of the whole winding circuit. If there is an urgent need for a difference capacitance value (ex. correct size capacitor is not available immediately), you may be able to do the follow (consult the Bodine Electric Company before doing so):

           Use a lower MF capacitor if running the motor/gearmotor at continuous duty.

Use a higher MF capacitor if running the motor/gearmotor at intermittent duty.

Note: Changing the capacitor’s capacitance value will affect the motor/gearmotor performance. You may lose torque (consult Bodine Electric Company for more information for your specific application).

However, it remains Bodine’s recommendation that you do not change the capacitor that is specified for use with a specific motor/gearmotor.

Where is the winding type shown?

The winding type is shown on the heading of each selection table for each product. It is also included in the Bodine Frame Type as a 2 letter code. On a motor, it is the last 2 characters. For example, Bodine Frame Type 42A5BEPM is a "PM" or Permanent Magnet. On a gearmotor, it is the 2 characters before the dash (-). For example, Bodine Frame Type 34R6BFCI-W2 is a "Cl" or Permanent Split Capacitor Motor. The Technical Discussions at the beginning of each section in our catalog provide more information on the characteristics of the winding types in the section.

Bodine offers custom AC gearmotors and motors with a special "torque core" rotor

We recommend this custom design feature for applications where the machine design requires high starting torque.  These special AC induction motors with torque core rotors deliver: Higher starting torque at lower speed and lower running torque.

Bodine AC gearmotors and motors with a special "torque core" rotor for high starting torque

 

What is the quietest Bodine motor/gearmotor: PMDC, BLDC or AC?

The brushless DC (BLDC) motors/gearmotors are the quietest of all of our technologies. They are then followed by the AC motors/gearmotors – specifically the three phase and permanent split capacitor motors first and followed by the split phase motors. The Permanent Magnet DC (PMDC) motors will run the loudest of all three technologies. Bodine values itself on high quality, quiet motors and gearmotors. “Loud” is relevant, and application-specific, but all of our motors and gearmotors, in all three technologies, should run efficiently and quietly.

What is the commutation angle of Bodine’s brushless motors/gearmotors?

The standard brushless motors/gearmotors have a 60 degree commutation. Some BTO (Built-to-Order) motors/gearmotors have 120 degree commutation. If in doubt, please contact our Inside Sales team with your serial number.

How much backlash is in Bodine’s stock gearmotors?

The maximum backlash for our standard/stock parallel shaft (helical/spur) gearmotors is 3 degrees. The backlash also depends on the number of gear stages and the gearing type. Some of our parallel shaft gearheads use only helical, some use spur and helical, and some use Nylon and steel gear combinations. In general, we cut and finish all our gearing to AGMA 9 specifications, and we typically see a backlash of 1.5 degrees or better in most of our stock products. Bodine also offers planetary BLDC and PMDC gearmotors that have a standard backlash of < 60 arc minutes.

What is IR compensation on my PMDC control, and why do I need it?

IR compensation is what provides the speed regulation of the control. When the load on a PMDC motor increases, the amount of current that the motor draws also increases. Per the performance characteristics of permanent magnet DC motors, an increase in load will cause a decrease in speed, because of the negative correlation between speed and torque (see speed-torque curve below). The IR compensation increases the voltage going to the motor, thus compensating for changes in the load, in order to maintain a constant speed at the end-user’s setting regardless of load variations.

Can I run 2 permanent magnet DC motors on one permanent magnet DC control?

No, you cannot run 2 PMDC motors/gearmotors on one PMDC control. The IR compensation in the control cannot communicate with 2 motors. PMDC applications require a one:one ratio of motor:control.

I have a type WPM control. I’m measuring voltage across A1 and A2 and I’m not getting 130V across (I see a very low voltage). Does this mean I have a defective control?

No, it does not. A voltage measurements across A1 and A2 (if the motor/gearmotors is not loaded) on our type WPM controls will result in low voltages because of the transistors on the output of the control that turn power on and off for the PWM signal. Because of these transistors, you must be connected to a load to see the expected 0-130VDC.

Are there replacement boards available for the enclosed type FPM controls? Or do they use the same boards as the chassis type FPM controls?

Our enclosed type FPM controls use different boards than the chassis type FPM controls. The boards are very similar and have identical functional abilities, but the boards within the enclosures have some physical characteristics that are not on the chassis control. There are replacement boards available for the standard enclosed type FPM controls.

      The part numbers are as follows:

      Models 81X (X = 5,6,8) – part no. 43100451

      Models 83X (X = 5,6,8) – part no. 43100483

      Models 85X (X = 5,6,8) – part no. 43100485

Contact an authorized distributor to purchase these replacement boards. A distributor locator is available online at http://www.bodine-electric.com/Asp/Distribuloc.asp.

Can I use the 5VDC power supply (S3) on the type WPM control to power external circuitry?

The 5VDC supply on our type WPM controls was not designed to do much more than provide power to the main speed potentiometer. You may use it to power something else, but will not be able to get much current out of it. We only use .5mA from this supply, which is the optimal maximum current. You may be able to pull 1mA, but at your own risk. If you pull 2mA, you will definitely damage the board. Please proceed with caution if you do plan on using this power supply to source power to any of your components. Note that using this supply as a source of power is out of the rated specifications of this control and will void your Bodine warranty.

What is the difference between a filtered DC control and an unfiltered control?

A filtered control provides the motor with cleaner DC power than the one supplied by the unfiltered control. Also, when used with an unfiltered control vs. a filtered one, the motor will most likely run hotter (at the same load point) and will have shorter life. The unfiltered control provides a 130VDC motor with a maximum voltage of 90VDC, which means that the speed of the motor will not reach the nameplate rating, it will be 9/13th of that.

 

Can I use a digital signal to control direction and logic inputs (ex. disable, directions) on the analog isolation card model 3984 along with a brushless DC control?

Yes, you can use a digital signal on the 3984 to control direction, disable, etc inputs. The digital signal must be from an open collector type device that is capable of sinking a 10mA minimum current and withstanding 12VDC. The 10mA is the minimum value for the open collector device, and is the typical current that is going to be used by the circuit. Anywhere up to between 30mA and 50mA on the open collector device is acceptable to use.

I have a Bodine Brushless DC control and would like to put a ratemeter on the tachometer output. Do you have any suggestions?

You can use the Red Lion Cub 5 Series digital rate meter. This will provide you with a digital readout of the speed at the motor/gearmotor driveshaft, from the tachometer output on the control. The rate meter is battery powered, and can be programmed to know how many pulses it will receive per unit output and to display speed in RPM. Our tachometer output provides the meter with 12 pulses/motor revolution. To calculate the resolution of the tachometer output with respect to the driveshaft of a gearmotor, multiply the gear ratio by 12.

Can I run 2 (or more) AC motors on one AC control?

Yes, it is possible to run more than one AC motor/gearmotor on one AC control. Note: some conditions must be met before you are able to do so. First, the motors/gearmotors must be 3-phase and inverter duty. Second, the continuous output current of the control must be greater than or equal to the sum of the rated motor currents.

I received my AC control without a speed potentiometer. Do you have a replacement potentiometer kit?

Yes, we do offer a potentiometer kit for our AC controls. It is Bodine part number 43301002. These controls use a 5kW potentiometer. Please contact one of our authorized distributors to purchase this kit.

What is the carrier frequency on Bodine’s AC controls?

The carrier frequency of Bodine VFD’s is 16kHz. This is a typical frequency value, and is the maximum per industry standards.

What is the carrier (switching) frequency of Bodine’s AC inverter drives (VFDs)? How does this frequency affect the performance of my Bodine motor/gearmotor?

The carrier frequency of Bodine’s chassis (“OEM”), NEMA-1, and NEMA-1/IP-40 drives (models 2982, 2983, 2984, 2987, 2998, 2996 and 2997) is 8kHz. The NEMA-4X/IP-65 control (model 2994) has a programmable feature built in to set the carrier frequency to one of 3 values: 8kHz, 10kHz or 12kHz.

The carrier frequency is the switching frequency of the transistors used to create the PWM signal. Lower switching frequencies will result in the   motor dissipating less heat, therefore running cooler. At the same time, the motor will produce more noise, therefore running louder. As the switching frequency increases, the amount of heat the motor dissipates will also increase, but the noise it produces will decrease.

High switching frequencies could also cause increased bearing failure rates. The PWM drive can produce increased circulating currents through the motor bearings, which could lead to reduced bearing life.

 

Does Bodine have a single-phase inverter that I can use on my Bodine single phase motor/gearmotor?

Bodine does not currently carry any single-phase inverters. Note: our single phase motors/gearmotors do not have inverter duty insulation.

Can I tie 2 controls together? For example, can I tie the inhibits on separate controls together?

No, you cannot and should not tie controls together. The controls should be isolated from each other. Use different contacts for each control. Note: This is different from using 2 or more controls in a master/slave operation.

 

I need a multiple-turn potentiometer to control speed with my drive. Is this something Bodine can sell to me?

All of Bodine’s potentiometers are one-turn pots. If you need any other type (i.e. multiple-turn pot), it must be sourced separately.

Can I use a control rated for less current (continuous output) than my motor (nameplate-rated current)?

Technically, the answer is yes. However, if the continuous output current on your control is less than that of the motor’s nameplate rated current, you will run into current limit and will not get the full nameplate rated torque from the motor.

Can I run a Brushless DC motor/gearmotor with an AC VFD/Inverter?

No, brushless DC motors cannot be run with an AC VFD. The brushless motor needs electronic commutation, and this will not be provided correctly from a VFD. The motor design will not work with a VFD. It may be possible, through some experimenting, to get the motor to turn, but there will be zero torque out.

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